My T gauge adventure

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Matt,

They look very interesting, hope they work out when printed.

I must admit that I had not considered using a power chassis. Do the containers need to be modelled over width to fit over the chassis? I had not measured this - not even having considered it for this type of wagon - so do not know if this is the case or not, but if it is then I would need to redesign my model from scratch to do it this way as the containers I am using are already complete and detailed.

For now I think I will stick with the design I have. I am not sure what the current thinking is as to how many wagons a loco can pull. Does anyone have any advice on this (assuming the container wagon being to be about the size and weight of a coach)? Otherwise I guess I will find this by trail and error if I manage to print and finish enough wagons.
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I've modelled them at 5.8mm wide and 6mm high which I believe is slightly distorted but not by an awful lot. They still look about right!

With regards to pulling power, I reckon a loco could pull 4 coaches, maybe 5 at a push, if you double head you could pull a bit more. The HST set has 3 of its 9 powered and most 4 car units available come with 2 power cars but I guess it comes down to what works on your specific layout. If it's flat with large curves you could probably have longer trains.

A few people tend to permanently couple cars together to give combined power pick-up to improve running, although I'm yet to try this myself.

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I have now received my order from Shapeways of cars, canal boats and shipping containers. I have not cleaned and primed anything yet, but all look to have worked well.

I have put the single shipping containers for sale on my shop. I will get the ones I received painted and post a photo on the site, and will also add multi packs to my shop to keep the unit cost down.

Even the Peel P50 that I included in my order has printed well. If I can persuade my camera to focus on something so small then I will add a photo of that as well, just to show what can be done
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Slow progress as usual! I was hoping to have images of painted models by now, or at least models in primer, but alas all I have managed to achieve so far with my latest batch from Shapeways is cleaning in white spirits.

These are just some of the models I had printed, and are an interesting mix - at least to me anyway - of models that are detailed and ones that are not. Sometimes a reminder is needed of how little of the detail will be visible when the model is printed (possibly even less after it is painted), but if the detail is not there then the Shapeways rendering of the model can look terrible. An interesting dilemma!


First up is one of my canal boats. This was designed in parts to allow different length boats which differing details to be easily created. This one has no detail for windows etc, so it will be interesting to see how it looks once it is painted.
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Next is a shipping container. This view shows the end detail which took me ages to add. Was it worth it. I guess that will only be apparent once painted. I think this could be one of those situation where some detail is needed as the eye expects it to be there, even though in reality it would actually be too small to see.
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On to road vehicle. First up is an Austin Cambridge. Not really visible in this shot is that the model has the correct shape for the sloping bonnet and rounded tops on the wings. Again, until it is painted I can not tell if this will really show up, but just having a rectangular block for the bonnet/wings did seem wrong.
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Over the Atlantic now for a Dodge Charger. Again this has the detail for the grill and the inset rear window. Will this be painted orange and decals created for a flag for the roof - well I think the chances are high!
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an final on to something smaller. On the left is the Bond bug (well, I needed something to use up some of the orange paint that would be left over from the Charger!). The problem with the Bond Bug is that is is quite a big car, at least in certain company. So just to proved to myself that if could be done, on the right is the Peel P50 - the worlds smallest production car. I think I over did it with the front wheels on this one, they should be really tiny, but I did prove that it could be done.
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If anyone does want any of the vehicles made available on Shapeways, as a multi pack to keep the cost down, the just get in touch.

I do have some other vehicles which I did not show, and the next ones that I have in my mind as possible candidates are Bedford OX/OY, 2CV and Edsel, however as usual these may take some time.
Neil

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Like'n the D. Charger...I've been kit bashing Z scale construction equipment for my T scale layout.......(well trying to anyways)......Hope'n someone will make a dump truck with a "snout" or any truck with a motor up in front.....Tractors (caterpillar and or big wheel)>Forklifts<........Can't believe how you "nailed" the Charger in this tiny scale.....

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mattinair wrote:Hope'n someone will make a dump truck with a "snout" or any truck with a motor up in front.....Tractors (caterpillar and or big wheel)>Forklifts
Well I never know what I will make next because my wish list changes all the time, so just depends what it is currently when I get to the computer! I think fork lifts would be a bit much to try using 3d printing (although brass etching combined with printing could work) but dump trucks could be possible. Send me a name, or a picture of what you have in mind....you never know!

Just as an illustration of how my list is changing all the time, earlier this week I picked up a OO Oxford DieCast Austin 7 from my local model shop (the once promised since Q1, but only just arrived). Having looked at this model I have decided I must have one of those in T. Therefore, providing I do not get distracted with something else before I can begin, that will be my next road vehicle.
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I understand "one off" orders are not economically practical.....but here are a couple of pictures anyways.....

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I know next to nothing about the design parameters you're up against...the forks might have to be over sized etc.....always hope'n...for more T stuff
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This dump truck has no snout but it's so huge it might be easier to model in 1/450th scale......(?)
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Just backtracking a couple of days, are you making your narrow boat available Neil? Once you have the bow and stern done the bit in the middle is pretty much the same whatever the length.
Cheers,
Malcolm

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Really like this dump truck.... :)
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Sorry 4 B'n sucha pest....

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msimister wrote:Just backtracking a couple of days, are you making your narrow boat available Neil? Once you have the bow and stern done the bit in the middle is pretty much the same whatever the length.
Malcolm,

Yes, that is my intention. My plan was to get the 2 examples I have printed off painted first. Both off these are 'low detail' in that the are no representation of the windows in the model. Not sure yet whether this is the best way in such a small scale,or should I attempt a recessed window, which would need pushed back way more than scale to stand any chance of showing up and be able to be painted round.

I plan different length bows and sterns, as walking along my local canal these do vary on the boats I pass. The main centre sections do of course vary greatly in length, from boats that will be the full length of the lock down to short 'day boats', so can represent that as well. Once done I will create sets for sale to keep the cost down. Not sure as what the mix in the sets will be, or how many boats in each. If anyone has a suggestion what they way like to see then let me know, otherwise I may just create a few different collections and put them all up as that should not be too difficult once I have all the basic components ready to go.
Neil

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Hi Neil,

Narrow boat windows are pretty much flush with the sides so I wouldn't bother recessing them. The bow in front of the superstructure on your model looks quite long to me. There are a few such boats - called 'tugs' - but most are shorter. Your model's stern most closely resembles a 'cruiser' stern; others are 'trads' where there is hardly anything rear of the superstructure and 'semi-trad' which from the side looks similar to a trad but which is really more like a cruiser! Lengths vary from a maximum 72' down to, well, as small as you like really. Looking forward to seeing what op come up with.

Cheers,
Malcolm

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I have not got much done with my latest prints other than getting the first coat of paint applied. These are looking good so far, but not really worth photographing when partly done, so nothing to see at the moment.

I had been hoping to get at least one shipping container complete and photographed before putting them up for sale on my shop, but I will probably not get any free time at all over the next few days, and I have had somebody requesting these.

Therefore I have now added all the containers - 20ft, 30ft & 40ft - which are now available singly or as a set of six of the same length.
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I am back on the case now. When I said I would be busy for a few days I actually meant that I was on holiday for two weeks - although I am sure nobody here would have tried to steal my T gauge items whilst I was away, just saying 'busy' seemed safer. No railway inspiration whilst away, I was in Austria staying right at the side of the Munich-Innsbruck line, but it turned out that the entire line was closed for all of August for maintenance!

Today I have been doing a bit more painting of the items I have had printed, including painting the yellow lines down the corners of my AA box. Just about managed this by eye, although I now have a weapon to use for anything harder to see - just before I went away I visited a local model railway exhibition (no T scale there, not even any N!) and bought an illuminated magnifier, so plan to be using that very soon. I have also finally finished painting one of the containers with full detail, so will get a photo of that up soon once I have sorted my holiday photos that are still on the camera.

Prior to today I had been on the computer and use the separate container parts to create a container wagon with 3 x 20ft containers. The containers are complete but I still need to finish the main body to be able to accept the T gauge chassis as for my boxcar model. Should have this finished very soon, but I will ensure that I get a successful test print before adding it to my shop.
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Some more photos of the printed items that I have been painting. For these I have been using the illuminated magnifier that I bought recently. This has been such a great help that I can not think why I did not get one before. If anyone reading this is painting T gauge models without one, then stop now and get one immediately! I thought my eyesight was OK, but after the help of one of these I can see (literally!) what I was missing.

As for my photos - these are just some of what I took. I still need to get the hang of photographing these tiny models as many of the ones I tried really did not come out well. Having said that, getting so close means that when it all works out I just end up with a very cruel enlargement which shows any printing or painting flaws that would not be seen with the naked eye.
I will try again with some of the other images and put them up in a later post.


First up is my container. This has been done for some time, but is the first photo showing the door end having been painted. I was not sure if I was adding too much detail here - fearing it would not print, or be lost under the first coat of paint - but it does seem to have survived.
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Next is my AA box, again the first after being fully painted. Quite a trick to add the yellow corners, but I am happy with the way it has come out.
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Finally for now is a road vehicle. Here is another example of the classic dilemma of trying to work out how much detail to add. The Austin Cambridge has round topped front wings and a sloping bonnet. If details like these are missed off the model, by just having a square cut bonnet, then the renderings for the model look terrible and crude. However if I got to the trouble of adding them, will they be seen? To test this I did try both, and in this case (excusing the poor quality photograph) the details do show, so in this case think it was worth it.
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I will keep adding images as I get ones of good enough quality to see what I am photographing.
Neil

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Another update on my progress, just a few odds and end plus a quiz.....with no prize, other than the glory of being correct!


First up, an image I did not add last time. This is my Dodge Charger with light detail that I have now painted. Detail on this is limited to recessing the back window and the front grill, with only the grill shown here. Having seen and painted the model I think I will also recess the wheels before I print it again, not sure how much this will show up, but I think that it will make it slightly easier to paint.
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Second up is the container wagon I am working on, shown here as a Shapeways rendering. This is nearly complete and I plan to add a test print or two to my next order, which will hopefully be very soon.
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And for the quiz bit! At least this is what I called the image so that the name did not show up and give away what it actually is. Once you have created a model in sketchup or a similar package it can be quite easy to copy and alter it (depending on exactly how well you build it in the first place that is - sometimes it just falls apart!). Here is one such modification to an existing model that I felt I needed to try, to create a talking point when parked in my station car park or on the high street (when I get my layout build that is). Now that I have painted it, who will be the first to identify what inspired this model.
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Hi Neil,

These all look great! The container wagons are very similar to what I designed. I found that the gap between the containers has to be pretty large to show up. Mine just looks like one massive container. I'll have a quick look at what my dimensions were for you and show you a picture to illustrate what I mean.

Matt

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Matt,

Yes, would be interested to know what dimensions you settled on. I had wondered whether mine were big enough or not, but I was hoping to fill the gap with black paint first, which should hopefully make it stand out against lighter containers. Also painting the containers different colours, rather than trying for a train of matching containers, should also help.
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So on second glances, I'm realising the error of my ways. In the rush to get it ready to get the free delivery promotion, I left the gap between the containers as 0.1mm :|

So understandably, there is no visible gap at all. In contrast each ridge on the container is 0.3mm wide and 0.1mm deep and you can pretty much make them all out. I. worried about paint clogging them up though.

Hope that helps!

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I have just received an email from Shapeways saying that there is free postage on all orders this weekend.

If you are wanting any items from my shop, or from any of the other T gauge designers on Shapeways, then this could be the time to order as the postage can be a considerable percentage on a small order.

I am now hurrying to complete my own order. This will include test prints of my container wagon, a test chassis for the wheelsets from Alan, and if I have time to complete the models then an Austin 7 and a couple of buildings. Hopefully I will get them all completed in time.
Neil

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