My T gauge adventure

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I really want some of those "tardis" police call-boxes.....I'll be checking your Shapeways site in the future.....love the stuff I've gotten from you so far.

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I am away for a few days now, so will probably not get anything done for a while. I had hoped to be further on than I am, but what is new! I did manage to find the 90% complete Land Rover ambulance that I thought I had lost on my missing USB stick, so at least I can pick that back up.

So, I now have several items visible in my Shapeways shop, but not yet for sale as they are not complete - just loaded to ensure they are printable before I continue detailing. In this category are the police call box [tardis] (needs windows), Land Rover ambulance (needs curved part of the roof and windows), AA Box (needs printing to determine if the grooves at the corners - to help painting the yellow corners - are actually useful or not). My station building is probably complete, but I want to do a test print to check it.

Back in the real world I ordered a 16m chassis for Alan and this has now arrived. Not had any time to do anything with it as yet, but it is destined to go under a boxcar box designed by Jesse specifically to fit on this chassis. I will upload some photos when it is done, but I suppose that doing that will just commit me to more computer time to design a locomotive to be pushed by the powered boxcar!
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I have not added any updates for a while, so thought it was about time I did.

First photo is not one of my designs. This is the powered boxcar from Jesse, I have had this for some time, but only recently got the correct length chassis to complete it.
For those who know their US railroads it will be obvious that I am finishing this as a Soo Line boxcar. This is an easy livery to do as the doors are separate to the body (to allow a choice of door styles) so can be painted before being attached. Also this car has black lettering on the white background, so does not need a fully body side decal as do boxcars with white lettering on a dark background. I do have some decal paper, but have not got round to trying it as yet.
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Nothing new on my own 3d printing designs as yet, but I do have a collection of test prints which I plan to send an order for this afternoon, including AA box, Police Call Box, Land Rover Ambulance, Station Building and a shipping container.
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I still have other plans for 3d designs that I have not got round to yet, as it is so easy to get distracted. I am planning to do a range of narrow boats for a canal basin on my layout (and whilst I am at it a waterline Amphicar to add variety..., and a waterline DUKW just because I can...., and you see how easily I manage to distract myself).

Also, if the shipping container test print looks OK (currently just a centre section of a container) then I will create 20', 30' and 40' containers, and also road trailers for them. Also probably some stacked containers, as this may be easier than printing individual ones and then trying to stack them.

Will keep you updated as to how the current lot of test prints do.
Neil

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Oh man things are look great! Keep up the good work!

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I have now got my latest batch of prints back from Shapeways. This was a combination of items within a single file to keep down the cost of printing.

These were all as successful as expected (some were just test prints rather than complete models).

The image below is of a Police call box and an AA box - cleaned in white spirits but not yet painted. I have added both to my shop. Note that the Police call box as sold has a piece of sprue from the base, not shown in the photo, which can be used to hold the model for painting. This model is available singly or a group of 4. The AA box is currently only available singly, but if anyone wants a multi pack then just ask.
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The other models in my test print batch were;

Station - Printed OK, so less excuse now for me to not get started on my layout.

Land Rover long wheel base - Printed OK. Plan to paint this in BR livery.

Land Rover Ambulance - Again printed OK. This is distinct enough from my other Land Rovers that you can actually see the difference in T scale! I also scaled this up to 1/285 scale for 6mm wargamming, which also seems to have worked well - at least it is big enough to see for painting!

Car Test - A test of 'car parts', a mismash of Austin, Mustang and open top Kubelwagen ! Worked well, with the from end looking very realistically Austin, so expect to see an A60 soon.

Container test - Again was just a test piece but work well. Plans now are for 20', 30'; and 40' containers, singly and stacked, and also skeleton road trailers. As the latter would be quite fragile I plan to create them only with an attached container. Perhaps UK and US trucks to pull them may follow? Also the tractors (do not know the correct name) that are used to pull these round container yards.

Canal boat / Post box, Telephone box - Did not add any of these to the test, but plan to do so quite soon. Once I have a post box and telephone box then I will put these in a detail pack with the police box and AA box to make them more cost effective to print.

UK style 4 wheel wagons - These seem to have been forgotten in the excitement! This must change, as they were the real reason for playing with Google Sketchup in the first place, so will try and get on with these.
Neil

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Does anybody else find that the smaller the layout is the more planning it seems to take? In the past when I have built large layouts I just came up with a basic plan and got on with it, but when trying a small shunting layout I would try and get all the details planned before making a start, The worst case being a 009 layout with just one point and two sidings.

Well, my T gauge test track seems to be falling into this trap. Just a loop of track, split into two with a backscene, with half modelled as Great Britain and half as the USA to practice different scenic techniques in T. The USA side was going to be remote Rockies type scenery, but now I feel I must add a highway and a diner, or other excuse for a car park, to display the road vehicles I have planned.

The only other thing that is holding me up at the moment is that I am going to try soldering power leads to a couple of spare pieces of set track. I already have the power connection track to connect the layout, but in other scales I learned not to rely too much on the regular rail joiners by ensuring regular power feeds rather than just the minimum needed according to the track diagram. I will update you on whether this works out, or if I just end up wrecking perfectly good track sections!

I have also just bought a new camera, and to test the macro facilty on this I have been photographing the 3d printed items I am currently painting. These look to be OK on the camera screen and I will get them on the site within the next couple of days.
Neil

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I got your call boxes>they're great (little station also)<I looked at Goog images of call boxes and the color question is a bit vexing>blue or purple? :P ......I know it would be really hard to do but excavating equipment and farm equipment would be neat.....I kit bashed pieces of Z stuff to make some road work equipment>right now I'm messing about with a scenery piece with some dairy farm stuff on it>I'm thinking that a tractor, hay mower, hay baler and hay hauler would look good in the scene>manure spreaders etc.

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....the color question is a bit vexing>blue or purple?
Most definitely blue!:
http://www.the-telephone-box.co.uk/kiosks/tardis/

Unless you're depicting Glasgow and you could consider red!
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mattinair wrote:I got your call boxes>they're great (little station also)<I looked at Goog images of call boxes and the color question is a bit vexing>blue or purple? :P ......I know it would be really hard to do but excavating equipment and farm equipment would be neat.....I kit bashed pieces of Z stuff to make some road work equipment>right now I'm messing about with a scenery piece with some dairy farm stuff on it>I'm thinking that a tractor, hay mower, hay baler and hay hauler would look good in the scene>manure spreaders etc.
Herpa makes construction equipment in 1/450.

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I just did an advanced search on the Herpa web page.......?.....no luck finding the 1/450 equipment ???.....any part numbers?

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I have painted my call boxes using Vallejo acrylic. In Spanish that is Azul Intenso, but in English is simply Blue. There are several blues in their range, but the numbers on the bottle are 70.925 and 052. This is just a colour that I picked as looking as though it may be close, and it does look OK after a couple of coats.

I had not thought particularly about making agricultural machinery, although I would not rule out doing a tractor at some time, especially as T scale leaves so much room for fields on a layout.


I have just tried to solder wires to track sections. When I first started I was less confident than I had been before sitting down and looking at how small the tab was I would be soldering to. However it looks to have worked out - I now have wire firmly soldered on and am still able to connect the track. Will try and get a photo of this for my next update.
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Thanks for the tip on the call box color (in the promos for the Dr. Who show the Tardis is purple but I noticed that it appears to be blue in the actual shows)....so blue it is then >looking forward to the electric connection photos>Everything is running well enough on my layout right now but there's one little section that seems to run slower.....

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As promised, some images of my 3d prints which I took to test my new camera.

Please note that none of these are finished in these pictures, they are all just partly painted. Also, I have a close up photo of the power feeds that I soldered to the track sections last night, these are still on the camera and I will add them later.
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One of the Police boxes I have printed. Just needs another coat of paint to finish.

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I am painting this Land Rover as an AA van. Still needs another coat of paint, and then some tidying up and detailing which will possibly need a magnifier if it is to look good in such a cruel enlargement.

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This model does not have a painting handle like the Police call box, however I does have a hollow in the body which will allow it to be stuck on to a wooden skewer (liberated from Wethespoons after eating my deli deal wrap!). Needs another coat of black (possibly toned down to very dark grey?) and then needs the yellow on the corners as per the prototype. That last part should be fun! After that just a silver or grey roof.
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This was only a test of a contained body. It scales out to about 20' in length, but does not have any end detail at all. I am back working on this now, and hope to have 20', 30' and 40' containers, with end details (and possibly different door styles, as there seem to be numerous out there). I will run off a test print of these to ensure they work and if so then will add them to my shop, probably as multi packs of mixed lengths or as a pack of all the same length.

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I have only just started painting here, just the roof. This stage is however a good chance to show the difference between Shapeways materials, White Strong & Flexible (WSF) on the left and Frosted Ultra Detail (FUD) on the right. This is one of the few of my models that will print in WSF, as all the others need FUD (or FXD) to pass the Shapeways checks for the fine detail, so I took the opportunity to order both for a comparison.
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I had promised to get these pictures up sooner rather than later, but.....

I had decided that the single power track that I had bought may not be enough to ensure good power distribution around the whole loop of track on my test layout - do not know if this was unfounded or not, but from other scales I have learned not to rely on rail joiners alone to transmit track power too far especially with the extra joints from using set track rather than flexi.

If you turn the track sections over there is a small tab as part of the rail joiner, which is folded back almost flat to be nearly parallel with the rail. It is this I soldered the wire to.

Firstly bend this tag up carefully. Does this carefully. Did I mention caref.... OK, you get the picture, it worked OK for me but I suspect that this part may not take to much bending before it would just snap off.

I did the soldering with a fine point 15W iron. Before I did this I wet a piece of folded kitchen roll and held the track down into it for soldering. This was to ensure any extra heat was drawn away from the track - again do not know how effective this was, but it seemed to work for me.

In the photos below you can see how the wires were attached. The close photo up does show that I still managed to melt the plastic base a little, but the proof was in the fact that the sections could still be joined after soldering (I soldered them separately - however there could be and argument for joining the two sections first before any heat is applied).
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NeilM wrote:.... If you turn the track sections over there is a small tab as part of the rail joiner, which is folded back almost flat to be nearly parallel with the rail. It is this I soldered the wire to .....
The same approach also works well for flexi track - the fishplates on the joiner section have similar tabs that you can bend down and solder to. Much, much easier than trying to solder to the iron rails!

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This is the exact technique I have used on Robins Run.....and will be using on The Bridge.
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I have finally completed the details for my shipping container. I am planning to send an order to Shapeways in the next week, and will include this to ensure that it prints correctly.

Although this will print as a single piece, I have designed the base 3d model as separate components, 10' centre section, 5' end with door and 5' end without door. This will allow models to be easily created as a 20', 30' or 40' container.
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If this works out I will add all 3 to my shop (20' one is already there, but marked as not for sale), and also sets of maybe 6 of each, or an assortment of sizes.

I am also planning to print some road vehicle tests for plans that I have had scaled up for some time. I say test, because they are just basic block vehicles, with little or no detail beyond the basic shape. These will probably include Austin Cambridge, Bond Bug, Ford Escort Mk2, Ford Escort Mk3, Dodge Charger 1969, Peel P50 and Africar (google the last 2 if they do not mean anything to you!). I do not plan to sell these as is, even if they print OK, as they will end up costing just as much as properly detailed models. However, if they do work out, I will start work on detailed versions.
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I have finally got my Shapeways order ready. The free postage offer was an incentive to get this done (offer is on until Sunday, and is not the previous one that was US only, not sure if it is completely world wide but it definitely included the UK saving me GBP 7.24)

I have ordered one of Jesse's FP7 body shells, and also a collection of my own designs, none of which have been printed yet. These include all 3 of the shipping containers, a number of low-detail-quick-to-design cars as mentioned in my previous mail, and also a couple of canal boats.
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My Shapeways order is now printed, but still in the post. On the assumption that the container will print OK I have already been thinking about a container wagon.

My first thought was a flat wagon with the containers added separately. However this would leave a very flimsy wagon, which may break even if Shapeways would print it.

My second thought was to combine the containers with the wagon as a single model. That would work as regards ensuring sufficient strength, however the problem there would be that it would be impossible to paint the end of the containers in the centre of the wagon.

So I think, even though the containers are fully detailed, the best way would be to join 3 containers with just a shallow groove between them. This could be filled with black paint before the containers themselves were painted. It would be hardly visible in 1:450 scale, and the outer ends would have the correct detail.

I did have a design for a bogie which held the axles in U shaped slots, rather than then holding the pin point ends of the axles. This still needs more testing, but if it could work then I think that it would be possible to print a wagon with two bogies already attached, which if possible would mean the wagon would need only wheels and couplers to complete. That however is a development for another time, so do not hold your breath for this one!

On another topic, I have finally got a complete circuit of track, with power leads, taped temporarily to a piece of foamboard - so it looks like my first T gauge layout is at last moving in the right direction.
Neil

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Hi Neil,

Great minds must think alike as I have this coming in my current shapeways order...
Container wagon
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Designed to fit on a 19m powered chassis or a standard adjustable one. The colours are just a bit of fun but I'm hoping it'll look effective. I think I left a gap of something like 0.1/0.2mm in between which I intend in dribbling some black paint in too. I've designed it to sit slightly lower on the chassis than other T stock to give a flatbed feel....just hoping it doesn't obstruct bogie movement!

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