Smoking QTT/T Gauge steam locomotive

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Looks like it's time to retire my Flying Scotsman models. :-)

Because I'm preordering one of these! :-D
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There is a serious problem: The locomotive has an electrical short circuit that I can not get rid of because I do not know exactly where it is.

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There's no such thing as a problem...…...its a challenge!

And I have every confidence in your ability to rise to this challenge and resolve it! ;)
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Do you have to write this now? (-; I just wanted to give up, because there is one problem after another: electrical short circuit, the smoke generator takes the power from the motor, and now a magnet ring is loose too.
If everything went right the first time, I would build such a locomotive for others as well. But it takes an incredible amount of time for setbacks and tests. This is very exhausting, 200 hours of work are perfectly normal for such a locomotive, nobody can pay that!

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I'd probably order one without the smoke unit. :-)
(I have enough trouble with G-Scale smoke units)

And if I can afford this beauty, I can certainly afford one of yours.
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Although I might be a while to get the money.
(I still have the little motor units you made me years ago. ;-) )
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Hello Matthew,

first of all many, many thank you for always giving my YouTube videos a positive rating.
In addition to the lot of work there is a second reason why I do not build such a locomotive for others: they are extremely sensitive. If you can not build something like that, you will also have difficulties with maintenance. My locomotives are not suitable to play with it. They would break if used for a long time. These are just not mature series models. I can not risk that someone will pay a lot of money for such a locomotive, and then it will break after a short time. The two small motor units were simple vehicles, but a steam locomotive is much more sensitive! Siegfried and Alan may soon offer solid steam locomotives to buy, so have some patience.
I myself build these locomotives, film a video, and then they come in the plastic box. For ever! If I want to see my locomotives drive, I watch like you the videos.
Are the small motor units still working?

Kind regards
Uwe

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Sorry Uwe, I was only kidding about buying the models.
As much as I love one, I would feel bad to see you depart with any of them.

Eishindo is also still trying to make a Steam loco.
I was fortunate enough to see some prototype photos.

The little Motor units still work, bit temperamental (stall on points), but still working. :-)
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I do not think KK Eishindo will build a steam locomotive. You sent me the photos of this prototype - terrible! Who presented such a glued crap even at fairs is not able to build something like that! Already the trainsets of KK Eishindo drive badly, how can they then get a
good steam locomotive!
I think the first commercially available steam locomotive in T Gauge will come from Germany. I'm only a handmaker, but what Siegfried does is practically the preparation for little series production.
However, everyone should be aware that such a well-functioning and good looking steam locomotive costs 1000 euros and more, which is not the made in China mass-produced price!
I am really happy that the small motor units are still driving. Have you already tried liquid silver on the points?
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Ewe, does the silver conductive paint carry the full track current? It looks promising for fixing track gaps.

Have you used on any other applications such as headlamps or signals? I'll have to get some and try it.

In regard to the steam locomotive, I believe Alan has a prototype that keeps getting closer to production, it's a 4-10-2 if my memory serves, or some other very large steam locomotive.

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jesse6669 wrote:Uwe,. sorry for the mis-spell :oops:

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My locomotives are all electrically connected with this Liquid Silver. I also improved TT points with it. This silver sticks very well and also gets hard, so it lasts a long time and conducts the current very well!

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A few words to the supposed prototypes: If you want to build a model locomotive, you first make a design drawing. Then a hand sample is built to see if the design works at all. Then the items are machined and then the first locomotive is built with this items. That's the prototype. And nobody has it so far!
What KK Eishindo showed was not even a hand sample, that was a rough study. And Alan has so far only chassis studies. Closest to the prototype is clearly Siegfried!

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Here are some pictures of how the current status of all steam locomotive builders is:

Hand sample by myself:
MALLARD hand sample
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Rough study by KK Eishindo:
C62 rough study
C62 rough study
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Chassis study / nearly but bad hand sample by TGauge.com:
A3 chassis study
A3 chassis study
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Nearly prototype by Siegfried:
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Don't forget Joe M. He has a K-4 Pacific. And Alan R' s prototype is bigger/better than before, he exhibited at a show last fall: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2161460877430197

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Joe builds like me only for himself! I also called my MALLARD only to show what is meant with a hand sample. I'm not on Facebook, so unfortunately I can not see your link. But I know that Alan showed exactly this A3 work in Birmingham, as shown on the picture in my post earlier. And that is NOT a prototype, this is at most a bad hand sample! If that were the prototype, then that means he wants to build this loco also exactly as bad in series. But who should buy that terrible vehicle?!
With all due respect to Alan's commitment, but I would never have presented this weird part at a trade show! In front of people with claim he has simply embarrassed himself with it!

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It has been several years since KK Eishindo showed this terrible C62 vehicle for the amusement of the other model railway manufacturers in Nuremberg. Nothing has changed since then! Of those so no steam locomotive is expected! And I'm worried that Alan will also let the steam locomotive project seep through in the sand, for two reasons: first, such a locomotive can not be made at the Made-in-
China-low-cost-price, and secondly, there simply are not enough Customers for such a locomotive who also are ready to pay the high price.

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In this respect, it is certainly not only interesting for Alan to find out who is willing to pay 1000 Euros and more for a steam locomotive in T Gauge.
Please call your price limits!

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Most certainly the price of a RTR steam locomotive model may be high .. my estimate is it may very well get up into the multiple hundreds of Euros.. if they are truly mass produced i.e. China, they shouldn't be $1000 though. $200 US would be somewhere about right I would guess. But then there's a large up-front investment in tooling, etc. to make a run, likely around $15,000 at least. How many units need to sell to spread out that up-front cost..

On the other hand--consider the economics of brass locomotives from the 70's and 80's made by hand in limited quantity by artisans in Korea and Japan? They were expensive and yet modelers and collectors purchased them. So maybe an $500 or $1000 hand-made or small-batch-production steam locomotive might be feasible. "Pre order" is the rule of the day with manufacturers even in the popular scales these days so "Reserve today for delivery in 2020" and then produce to order may work as a business model.

Anyway--I think of the current batch of steam prototypes as "proof of concept" to show what is possible. Yes they have been done by yourself and others for several years now, but there are more and more others, and they are evolving to be better and better. Working valve gear, smoke... I'm optimistic that T steam will continue to develop, and my bet is that before very long there will be some "commercial" locomotive, whether it be a kit or RTR of some kind.

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So as far as I'm concerned, if I could not even build steam locomotives, I would rather pay 1000 euros for a model from Germany, as 200 euros for such a China crap, which drives already new crappy and is broken after a short time!
If I approach the theme of T Gauge here in Germany in model railway shops, the dealers all wave down. They are not even ready to put a single one of these KK Eishindo ICE in the showcase for rehearsal because it's such a technical botch!

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I do not want to take away your hope, but I'm not so optimistic because I know how difficult alone it is to assemble the locomotives, if all the parts already prefabricated. There are people with watchmaking skills needed and they cost much money. Or it is made by vending machines, but their purchase costs millions, which is then worthwhile only for mass production such as handled in the Asian watch industry. And if the locomotives are supposed to look really good, 3D prints will be not enough, then real shapes are needed, and they are also expensive, $ 15,000 are not enough, then we are moving into investments of $ 100,000 and more!
The cheapest option is still to have all parts manufactured by companies that already have the necessary machines and tools. That's what Siegfried does, but that costs almost near 1000 euros per locomotive!

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