My T gauge adventure

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Again I seem to have become inactive in progressing the models I am working on....so, nothing new there! I do have my 40' boxcar body in my sights to get on a chassis, this looks as though it will work out so hopefully some photos soon.

What I did finaly get round to thinking about doing (as opposed to just actually getting on with it!) was painting more of the Land Rovers that I got back from Shapeways many weeks ago. I have not actually started painting yet, but I did find something useful with these models. The first one of these I painted was tricky to hold (should not really have been a suprise in 1:450 scale), so I resorted to glueing it to a wooden skewer. But I have now found that, by accident rather than design, the recess I build in to the body is an almost perfect fit for a peice of 0.040" x .080" Evergreen styrene strip. This creates a perfect painting handle.
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I had been thinking of adding a painting handle to future models as part of the printing process, which could be broken off afterwards, although having seen how this has worked out I think I may now just use an accurately sizes hole which will fit on micro strip or rod.


I am also working on models of a Bond Bug and a Ford Escort Mark 2 (4 door, 2 door, RS2000, van, and any other variations I can think of). I am also looking at a 1960s/70s bus, a Triumph Herald and a 2CV, but only if I can get Google Sketchup to play nicely. This may not be the best drawing package out there, but it is the one I have learned, and it does OK with the rectangular shapes of railways wagons, boxcars etc. It does however stuggle - at least for me - combining circles with straight lines at anything other than 90 degrees [car wheels and wheel arches], and also adding a radius to corners where 3 edges meet at a corner [roof and rear corners of many 1960s buses].

Also still working on my 4 wheel UK railway wagons. Sketchup should handle these OK, but I need another test of the method of holding the axle into the chassis.
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Uh ohh, somebody has ordered 2 of my 40' boxcars, and I have not yet created the instructions for fitting the chassis. Many thanks for the vote of confidence if you are reading this, and be assured that the body will fit on a chassis. I have done this, just have not got round to photographing the result yet. I will not be able to do this for a day or two as I am away from home on business in Brighton - the company send me to the seaside, but choose to do it in January! Hopefully will get this done when I am home, so will be avaialble before this first order arrives.

Whilst I am away I do not have any modelling supplied, but I do have my laptop and so if I get any time I may manage to progress some 3d models. I did manage to solve the problem in my previous post regarding the rounded edges on old buses, e.g. Beford OB. I asked a question on the Skethup forum and found that there was a different and better way to use the tool that I was try to use (the follow me tool) which does the job. I am however aware that I may be over designing in what I am planning in my head, in that I keep trying to add detail which will either not be visible in 1:450, or will disappear under the first coat of paint. I end up trying to add this either for completness, or just so that it shows up on the Shapeways renederings. I am coming to the conclusion that adding less will enable the designs to be done quicker without loosing any visible detail.
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Hi Neil,

I'm the one who ordered your boxcars. I've been working with Z scale for 43 years and I've been building and modifying models longer than that. I suspect that I'll be able to figure out how to get the boxcars on the chassis but any help would be appreciated. One will be for me to run while the other one will go to the Indianapolis, Indiana division of the NMRA for their size comparison display. One of the members of the MidweZt HaulerZ (my Z scale module group) was asked to provide a T scale sample so I volunteered to do it for her.

I'm looking forward to finishing the boxcars,
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Is this what you had in mind, Neil?
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Did you use and shorten the "adjustable chassis" to attach the boxcars on them, or is it the sold out 19m motorised chassis?
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I cut up 2 of the 20m non-motorized chassis. I used just enough to fill the areas on the ends. They work well without added weight in the short train I'm running now.
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Excellent Thom. Should not enthuse too much about my own models, but due having so many comitments recently and being unable to finish my models this is the first time I have seen one painted!

It is difficult to know how big to make the details on T gauge models, bearing in mind the miniumum detail size for printing is 0.1mm, which scales out to around 2 inches. The details do seem to still be showing up after a coat of paint, can still see the roof ribs and ladders. Not sure if the door look to prominent or not, will really need to get my own model primed and painted to check that.

I had used the 19M chassis for my model (in fact the one it was designed for - as it was the only one I had to hand when creating it). I was not sure that the 20M chassis would fit, as it is more bulky above the bogey mount, but it is good to know that it will. I am also hopeful that the model will take an adjustable chassis, albeit cut up, but have not been able to check this myself yet.

Seeing your models has inspired me to crack on with the ice reefer and compostite steel framed boxcar I had originally planned, and even try a stock car although that may be pushing things a bit too far to get a realistic result in this scale. Unfortunately, as if I did not have enough distractions already, I need to rebuild my crashed laptop first!
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This is what the bottom looks like. I did need to trim the top of the bogie mount and some around the sides. The adjustable chassis or any of the chassis that use the simple post bogie mount should work. I don't primer any of my models unless I plan to use a paint that would react with the kit material. I might try a full-side decal panel for my next one but that will have to wait while I hurry to finish my layout that's due to be on display the 14th of February.

The reefer and composite steel framed boxcar would be great additions to T scale. The stock car should work too if you make the spaces between the boards just deep grooves that could be painted black before the final color is applied.

Thanks for a great model,
Thom Welsch

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I placed another order at tgauge.com yesterday. Some track which I need for my first layout as I had decided that what I currently have will not fill the length of the board I plan to use. Also some more wheelsets. These should prompt me to get on with my layout, and also get designing some British 4 wheel wagons.

I did get some free time on the computer last night and fired up Sketchup. I managed to complete the station building model I have been creating for this layout, which was just awaiting door detail to complete, so that is now ready to include in my next order from Shapeways.

Earlier in the week I began painting the 3 Land Rovers that I had printed several weeks ago. I am planning to do one in AA livery (yellow, black wings and roof), one for the coast guard (dark blue, yellow roof) , and one for the army bomb disposal (green, red wings front and back). I mention this because whilst I was in sketchup I decided to work on some detail items, and created a model for an AA box. I also started working on a traditional British Royal Mail post box. Before I finish this line of thought I will probably create a telephone box (and if I can not stop myself, then a police call box, i.e. a tardis, as well!). Look out for a pack of detail items in my shop soon - although I may just add these into other models as they are so tiny as to not add much to the cost, but would incur a 5 dollar fixed fee if they are printed on their own.
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Simple question about your Land Rovers:
Why and how much in diametre is the spare tyre on the bonnet bigger as the other wheels of the car?
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To answer your question about my T gauge Land Rover, or as it is not railway or railroad rolling stock I should more correctly say T scale which would be the correct term for 1:300 accessories (see what I am doing there Doug?)

Alas I can not check the dimensions as I do not have the Sketchup file with this vehicle in, as I lost it in a computer crash. I should know better working in IT, but in my defence I did save most other things, including the Land Rover with rear side windows and no spare wheel, so all is not lost as the other two were originally quickly edited versions of this.

When I created this version I just tried to make the spare wheel look correct. The road wheels are too wide due to the limitation of the printing process, even using the highest detail material an unsupported wall (which is Shapeways term which covers any detail more than twice as deep as it is wide) must be at least 0.6mm, which is nearly a foot in T scale. Due to this I did try to make the spare wheel narrower (as it did not have the 'unsupported wall' limitation, just the raised detail limitation of 0.1mm, or about 2 inches in scale). The wheel may have ended up a bit larger, but if so not by very much. And do not forget just how small these models are anyway - painting the details really is quite a trick!

Going forward, I have started an attempt to stretch this model into a long wheel base version (all of about 1mm extra!). If that works as a basic van then I plan to try an army ambulance version, which should look significantly different even it this small scale.
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I have just been away on business again, two nights away in hotels. As I was driving down I had a thought that I should have brought along some of the shapeways models that I am painting so as to put my evenings away to good use. However when I arrived I realised that the light levels in the room, after dark, would have made this too difficult. Did not then feel too bad having realised that it would not have worked out, although if going away again I could still consider it, but would need to also bring a portable lamp.

So as not to totally waste my time I did try and design some models on my laptop, particularly the detail items that I have planned. I tried to complete the post box I am working on, but found this was too hit and miss during the detailing stage on a laptop without a mouse, so I started an AA box, this being easier as it is a lot more square.

This very nearly worked out, but when I uploaded it to Shapeways the automatic checking gave a warning about the roof overhang being possibly too thin, so I will beef this up a bit and resubmit it for rechecking.
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Just want to say I'm really having fun with your 40 ft box cars. I've just been gluing them onto the adjustable chassis units. Also I've been gluing a piece of lead strip onto the underside of the chassis .
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Here are Neil's Land Rovers as painted by me. I'm surprised how good they look.....until I take a really close up picture.
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Thom, good to see some of my models painted up and ready to go on the layout. As you say, they can look really good until you take a close up photo, and then that does show up even the best painting standards. Probably good that we only have our normal eyesight to work with at all other times!

With the latest batch that I have been painting I have stopped doing this after dusk unless I can work immediately under the brightest light, my preference now being on a sunny day from my desk positioned at a south facing window. And even then I still use a magnifier to check I am getting somewhere close on the fine detail (for which I have just bought a 5/0 size brush, i.e. very small).

What I am also trying on the latest batch of Land Rovers is to use gloss varnish straight over the clear shell for the windows, and then paint round them when applying the body colour. This is, of course, easier to say than do in this scale, but I am hopeful that it will be easier in the long run that trying to paint the windows in afterwards. If this does work out then I will try and post some photos.
Neil

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Neil,
I use a lighted magnifier and small brushes all the time to paint T scale models. Fortunately, the Land Rovers look great on the layout without all the magnification. I've always painted the windows first and then trimmed around them. The color I use depends on the color of the body. Dark windows for a light vehicle and light windows for a dark vehicle.
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Whilst I work on the detail parts (British post pox, telephone box etc.) which are taking longer than expected - nothing new there then - I put together a long wheelbase version of my Land Rover.

This is not that different to the short wheelbase version in this scale (just less that 1.2mm), but the real reason I have done this 'stretch' is so that I can create the ambulance variation, which should look significantly different. This version is in progress, just needing a roof and side windows to complete.
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I did also try upscaling a copy of my short wheelbase Land Rover to 1:300 scale version for use in 6mm wargaming - but having made other changes whilst I was in there it has now appeared on shapeways with only 2 wheels! Hopefully it will be a simple fix.

Back to T scale I also have plans to create some canal boats (having suddenly decided that my layout will include a canal). Initially trying modern pleasure boats, but also plan to try some older style working boats as well. Additionally I am going to try some shipping containers.

And if none of the above is silly enough, following a conversation, I seem to have challenged myself to create a Peel P50! If you are not familiar with this vehicle then Google it, but sufficient to say that it will not use much plastic.
Neil

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You could always try a Messerschmitt KR200 for a challenge as well. :lol:
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I seem to have challenged myself to create a Peel P50! If you are not familiar with this vehicle then Google it, but sufficient to say that it will not use much plastic
A cheap alternative would be an appropriately selected breadcrumb soaked in glue. :shock: :shock: :lol:
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So, what progress to report? Alas not very much. Having taken the step of backing up my models for Shapways on a USB stick following the loss of some earlier models after a computer crash, I have now managed to misplace the USB stick! I will take that as a reminder why I enjoy real railway modelling to get me away from computers for a while.

I am planning to visit Keighley model railway exhibition this weekend, so looking out for some good inspiration there to get on with my own layout. I am also just about to place an order with Alan for a 16m chassis and some axles. The chassis is for a boxcar body which I already have, painted but not yet lettered (photos soon). The axles will be for British 4 wheel wagons, when I get round to them.

As for progress on the computer, I have the AA box now completed and in printable form - this is currently on my shop just as a test to see if it passes the initial tests for printing. When my other models are done these will be put together as a set to ensure economical printing. I am also 90% there with a Police call box (a.k.a. a tardis - what layout is complete without one?)
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