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Re: The next train arriving at Platform One is.....

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:48 pm
by dkightley
Thanks for the comments....

I'm currently awaiting some laser printer transfer paper to try out. The transfer material I used on the above units was the inkjet printer paper....which you have to coat with lacquer before wetting to stop the ink from running.

I've had mixed success over the past few days with the inkjet paper. It's very sensitive to the lacquer. Put on too little and the transfer stretches very easily; put on too much and it doesn't comply well with the surface; leave the lacquer to dry too long and it tends to crack/tear very easily. Also, take too long to position the transfer and things go wrong very fast...the edge curls under and stick to the back of the transfer permanently!....and you have to abort. I'm hoping the laser transfer paper will be more consistent to use and go on easier!

What I'm planning to do is to put the shells on sale in the shop and make multi-layer generic livery decal files available to download so customers can download and create their favourite livery on decals to apply themselves. I'll provide general guidance instructions on how to modify the design and print and apply the transfers. I'll probably also make the transfer files I've developed for my own use freely available for download at a later date.

And the 170 will easily convert to a 357.....I'll add it to the list. I've already modded the 170's nose to make it look better. As soon as I can get a decent transfer to apply, I'll put up a photo.

Re: The next train arriving at Platform One is.....

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:07 pm
by mattd10
Thanks Doug! Appreciate that! Let me know if you want and of the previous designs I've drawn up in sketchup to have a play around with. I appreciate it's probably easier to start from scratch than amend a previously drawn model. If you're interested I have a class 158 (or 159), 450 (so also 350), 444 (stretched version of the 450), 220 (so also 221,222) and 313 (314,315). I never got as far as a test print/fit but they are all designed around an adjustable chassis and there seems to be some success on here with the class 158. Let me know!

Re: The next train arriving at Platform One is.....

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:31 pm
by dkightley
The laser transfer paper arrived this morning......and a first trial of this paper was encouraging.

Firstly, the consistency of the transfers is guaranteed as there's no variable caused by applying a layer of lacquer. The surface of the transfer is matt...as opposed to whatever finish the lacquer has. But most importantly, I found the transfers far easier to apply...no tendency to curl, and once I adopted a confident approach, applying was quite straight forward. Not easy.....but with practise, not too daunting!

Photos to follow once the transfers have dried fully and the shells finished off with a splash of matt black on the underside and ends.

Re: The next train arriving at Platform One is.....

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:49 pm
by gbtrains
Hi Doug
Keep up the good work on the 3d printer UK rolling stock.

Can not wait till they come out. :lol:


Regards
Graham

Re: The next train arriving at Platform One is.....

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:04 pm
by dkightley
Having taken a set of both the class 170s and 180s to the Elizabethan show I was able to do some test running......which was not good! Both sets ran okay on the straights, but both derailed on running round the run-around loops.

To test things further I've had to put together a test running track...something I've never had, and now I can test all of my rolling stock as I develop it!!!...rather than having to wait for me to assemble a layout!

Running these sets on the test track has highlighted that I've not left enough clearance around the bogies and couplings, resulting in the bogies being prevented from turning and individual power cars/carriages jump off the track!! I'm currently going through a rehash of the 170 power unit shell to mod it so the couplings are not fouled. Progress over the next week or so will unfortunately be hampered due to family commitments.

Re: The next train arriving at Platform One is.....

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:23 pm
by dkightley
First set of v2 shells in white on the printer as I type. Had ran out of white a week or so ago and the order took longer to arrive than expected....

May not the chance to test run them until nearer the weekend. :( :( If they run okay, I'll need to adjust the decal files slightly...and then do the whole process for the 180s.

Re: The next train arriving at Platform One is.....

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:42 pm
by gbtrains
Hi Doug

Can not wait for them to be on the Taking T Gauge Shop.

Do you think that you can do decals for the class 180 in Trans-Pennine (blue)Livery?

regards

Graham

Re: The next train arriving at Platform One is.....

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:47 am
by dkightley
I've now got the 170 shells fitting well and not fouling when running.....and printing consistently, which is good.

I still need to check the fit of the decal masters before I put them in the shop.....but I'm still struggling to get time to get this done due to other commitments. Who says you have nothing to do once you retire????

Re: The next train arriving at Platform One is.....

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:04 pm
by gbtrains
Hi Doug

Ya no what you mean.

I will wait for them to be placed on the Talking tgauge website .
Do you know what you might be retaining them at for non transfers and tranfers models?

regards
Graham

Re: The next train arriving at Platform One is.....

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:09 pm
by dkightley
I've not done any pricing up for these sets yet......but they'll only be available in freshly printed white PLA with no decals supplied.

As I've stated on an earlier post, I will be making available a download of a master decal design for each shell type that can be easily modified to create your favourite livery. I'll be providing a guide on how to mod the files...and some notes on applying the decals once printed on stock decal paper.

I've adopted this approach so I can easily bring the shells to market without any delays due to copyright and permission issues for the array of liveries out there.

The decal image files can be easily edited using 2D graphics programs that are either cheap or are freeware, and then printed using any fairly modern inkjet or laser printer on water-slide decal paper. The decals can then be applied to the shells and "fixed" if required with varnish...although inkjet printed decals will need to be sealed before applying to stop the ink from running.

Re: The next train arriving at Platform One is.....

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:51 pm
by mattd10
Can't wait for these to appear in the shop! And a great idea having the decals as "DIY", as that way you're not liable for any copyright issues.

Reading through threads on various forums the issue regarding copyright is a minefield and best left to an individual to decide if they want to (at least in this scale the logos won't even be visible!)

Looks as though I'm going to need to crack on with a layout....

Re: The next train arriving at Platform One is.....

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:17 pm
by barneyadi
You mention earlier in the thread you were trying laser printer transfer paper. How you getting on with it and where did you get it from?

Re: The next train arriving at Platform One is.....

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:26 am
by dkightley
I've not managed to get any further than the comments I made earlier in the thread due to other commitments I have at present....but I do hope to get back onto this project after the weekend.....

Re: The next train arriving at Platform One is.....

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:29 pm
by dkightley
.....which has now drifted to.....until after Warley. Which is only two weeks away.

Re: The next train arriving at Platform One is.....

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:56 pm
by dkightley
I think I have to kick myself up the backside.......as I've failed to deliver on the release of the DMU shells I've featured in this thread.

I've even made progress on the next shell...a class 158....which I'm going to need for The Bridge's outings over the next few months. Here's a shot I took this morning of the finished shell being test fitted with a paper version of the "generic livery" decal:
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The white (& slightly out-of-focus) area on the front is a separate part that should be black...the corridor connector...that is fitted after the decal is applied.

Once I get this class 158 fitted with the Scotrail saltire livery for The Bridge, I'll try and get time to get the three shells I have featured in this thread into the shop. The biggest problem is that to add items to the shop, I have to take decent photos.....and I don't have decent finished samples with the generic livery to photograph!!

Re: The next train arriving at Platform One is.....

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:57 pm
by dkightley
I've finally got some decals on a class 158....a little adjustment still needed.....but this shot gives a good idea of what she looks like:
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Apologies for the white edges on the corridor connector....I was a bit impatient and the paint wasn't quite dry...and it rubbed off!

This makes three DMU shells I'm almost ready to add to the shop....classes 158, 170 & 180. All three will have downloadable multi-layer graphic files for creating your favourite operator livery to put on decals. Note that the class 170 and 180 will have coaches as well as locos available.

For The Bridge, I'm now looking at producing a class 68 loco with a rake of six mark 2 carriages......which will give me three different trains to run on the layout - all current!

Re: The next train arriving at Platform One is.....

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:35 pm
by gbtrains
Hi Doug

When are theses new rolling stock coming out in the Talking T Gauge shop?

Looking Forward to spending on some. :D

Re: The next train arriving at Platform One is.....

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:49 pm
by dkightley
I have the files for the Class 158, 170 and 180 sets ready to go and have the decal graphics files for generic liveries prepared and ready in zip files.

What I have left to do is a guide on how to modify the decal files to apply a specific livery.....and an instruction sheet on applying the decals once made. I think I may have suitable photos to use on the shop page...if not, I need to take a few photos.

I'm also slightly nervous about launching these DMUs at the moment. I have two exhibitions in February, one (Newbury) in less than two weeks, and ModelRail Scotland two weeks later...which is the big show for The Bridge!! I'm not wanting to get several orders that I can't then fulfil because I'm tied up getting ready, etc. If I can get the guides produced over the next week, I may add them to the shop after the Newbury show. No promises though, I have a busy time over the next two months .....I have pre-season commitments for the Tramway Museum to do as well as T Gauge work which will keep me out of mischief for several days! I'll even be celebrating my birthday in a sports hall...assembling The Bridge ready for the Nottingham East Midlands Model Railway Show!

Re: The next train arriving at Platform One is.....

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:18 pm
by gbtrains
Hi Doug
thank You for getting back ASAP.

Looking forward to them ,but take your time on them to get it right as I know how tricky it all is in this gauge,
happy to wait longer so do not rush .

ps 3d print models looking good on the pictures. :D

Regards
Graham

Re: The next train arriving at Platform One is.....

Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:43 pm
by dkightley
All of the DMUs featured in this thread are now available in the shop!! :D :D :D :D


Matt....I'll take a look at the class 357 for you and see what I can do.......