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Z scale narrow gauge trains

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 7:42 am
by zdrada69
Hello,
My name is Pawel and I am from Poland. I am a Z-scale modeller developing modular layout based on real Polish locations. Here you can find some photos of one of my modules in 1:220

https://postimg.io/image/m7c3om2tz/
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https://postimg.org/image/ltarp0iqf/

While developing an idea to build initially technical station I ended up with module based on real station in Trzebnica. That is very interesting but compact dead end station with small engine shed and turntable at the end. The interesting part of the store is that on the other end of the station there is a bridge over the street - even part of the station passanger platform crosses this road over the bridge. Until late 60-ties there was an narrow gauge build in this road with regular service to Wroclaw. So I planned to have this small part of narrow gauge to be located under the bridge. This was 750mm narrow gauge so I decided that T gauge track is a good choice - it is a bit underscaled but 3mm agains true scale 3,4mm is acceptable for me.

Second thought was to have some not motorized rolling stock on that narrow gauge. I started to search at the Shapeways and found some designs good enough to be used on the module. I also started to search for T gauge information and end up with final decision. Try to make Z-scale narrow gauge motorized using T gauge tracks and chassis. Of course it means also supplemental narrow gauge module (modules ?) based on T gauge tracks. That is the reason why I joined this forum. I hope I will be able to show in future some progress with module on "Layout section" and to get some answers to questions which for sure be raised by me during the project.

Let's start with Z narrow gauge 3mm rolling stock work. The first one is small steam engine. I found some design on Shapeways to be a good starting point. This is French Decauville loco used on military narrow gauge railways during WWI:

https://postimg.io/image/m8dtb36dl/

I painted it and had to add chimney due to the fact that I ... broke original fragile part. This was made using small metal pipe.

Re: Z scale narrow gauge trains

Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 7:49 am
by zdrada69
Next stage of the work on this narrow gauge engine is to make it more similar to original one used on "my" railway:

http://konradus.net/foto.php?scr=http:/ ... 01_10a.jpg
http://dolny-slask.org.pl/foto/335/335874.jpg

At first I added lights - big lights typical for Polish steam engines. Lights are also Shapeways printed.

https://postimg.org/image/3zlr0itud/

Second change was to add bigger coal box at the end of engine:

https://postimg.org/image/4dn304dxx/

Re: Z scale narrow gauge trains

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 6:52 am
by zdrada69
Some more development... I added buffer and the red wheel on the front of the locomotive. The typical Polish colours to paint steam engines are used: black, red and white. Some weathering is applied.

https://postimg.io/image/u681qr5jt/
https://postimg.io/image/wc2cl9909/
https://postimg.io/image/enaltmx95/

Re: Z scale narrow gauge trains

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 1:55 pm
by Ozrail
Great progress, keep it up! :D

Re: Z scale narrow gauge trains

Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 9:57 am
by zdrada69
Next stage is to add wheels. I used Einsheido adjustable 16-27 m chassis.It is maximally shortened. I also added some pipes on top of engine and some photoetched parts - the remainings of wheel covers. They were used due to the fact that original engines were used in the city area and this was some kind of accident protection device. The engine is little "too high" because of the size of the wheels and chassis. I wanted to have couplings at the end of the engine so there was no option to make in another way....

https://postimg.io/image/i0iphkx7n/

Re: Z scale narrow gauge trains

Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 11:14 am
by zdrada69

Re: Z scale narrow gauge trains

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 5:32 am
by JoeMalinchak
Great job on your box car. Love the weathering detail!

Joe.

Re: Z scale narrow gauge trains

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:13 pm
by zdrada69
Finally I destroyed weathering ... I decided this car should be typical goods car not a "passanger" baggage car. In Polish reality it means that I had to repaint this car. Final painting is brown.

https://postimg.org/image/b74h50kx9/

I thing some weathering shoul be added to it in future.

Re: Z scale narrow gauge trains

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:21 pm
by zdrada69
Next stage is to add wooden 4 axis gondola. I decided to upgrade the Shapeways design by adding brakeman's cab. This cab is adapted from Marklin Z-scale passanger car which needed some rebuilding to fit more to Polish context. The most important part of rebuilding was removal of brakemen's cab. Re-use is powerfull technique !

https://postimg.org/image/ntm56ai2l/

Final look of the car with coal load added:

https://postimg.org/image/jfdx4eo31/

Re: Z scale narrow gauge trains

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:35 am
by zdrada69
Next car is also a gondola. This time I extended the chassis and added some details (second live of some metal parts from Marklin Z 6 azis flat car). I added a load of some aggriculture products:

https://postimg.org/image/hpcqlbd7j/

https://postimg.org/image/5m7exr25b/

https://postimg.org/image/ja582kqbp/

Re: Z scale narrow gauge trains

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:47 am
by zdrada69
I also added passanger car with the luggage compartment. This one is motorized with 19 metre motorized chassis. Windows were added using Humbrol ClearFix. I got the train with steam engine workable. I was really positively surprised with realistic speed one can achive with T-gauge stock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0fqKq1 ... e=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD62kxb ... e=youtu.be

Re: Z scale narrow gauge trains

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:38 pm
by Kupzinger
Hi. That looks really really good! I tried some narrow gauge in T as well, but the chassis chaked a lot due to the relative high center of gravity. Did you have this Problem as well?

Cheers from Austria
Kupzinger

Re: Z scale narrow gauge trains

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:07 am
by zdrada69
Kupzinger wrote:Hi. That looks really really good! I tried some narrow gauge in T as well, but the chassis chaked a lot due to the relative high center of gravity. Did you have this Problem as well?
Hi. Thanks for positive response to those models. It is true that chassis center of gravity may be a problem. This is evident with the steam engine. From visual point of view this locomotive is too high and it is not "stable" while running. I was able to add a bit of lead inside the locomotive to make it more stable. On the other hand the narrow gauge rails were rather kept in not very high quality and those trains run a bit uneasy (in turbulent way ??). This was the case at least in Poland. Some shaky movement can add realism...
With this engine I also wanted to use original chassis' coupling. This is the reason for beeing so high. I plan to have another one and I will try to have separate coupling mounted at the rear of the locomotive. I hope I will be able to have the chassis mounted more "inside" the engine and finally the locomotive will be lower and more stable.

Pawel

Re: Z scale narrow gauge trains

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:34 pm
by zdrada69
I started some job on the motor car.Again this is 3D printed item from Shapeways after some painting. Windows were made using Humbrol ClearFix.

https://postimg.org/image/414tm8x9v/

Re: Z scale narrow gauge trains

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:53 pm
by rail450
Hi Pawel,
pls, explain how to do the windows.
BR,
Siegfried

Re: Z scale narrow gauge trains

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:34 pm
by zdrada69
rail450 wrote:Hi Pawel,
pls, explain how to do the windows.
BR,
Siegfried
To make windows I use Humbrol ClearFix. This is clear gel liquid. Do not shake before application to prevent creation of little air bubbles. For application I use toothpick. You get some gel on toothpick and touch all inside edges of the window to makke them "sticky". Than I apply some more gel with round movement from the edges to the centre of window. Finally window is ready and I remove the toothpick. The window is still wet and it take some time until gel get hard.

Pawel

Re: Z scale narrow gauge trains

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:51 am
by zdrada69
Motor car has been finished. Motorized chassis added. Again I am positively surprised with the low speed achived:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5qe3xjw70E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-9qdvsukc0

Re: Z scale narrow gauge trains

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:42 am
by zdrada69
I started another 3mm Z-scale narrow gauge engine. This time it is going to be "Brigadelok". The basic body is 3D printed from Shapeways.
Finally fount the way to insert pictures in the message :shock:

After cleaning and basic painting:
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Already some modifications were made to the initial model:
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The big Polish style front light was added.
Unfortunately I broke the chimney - new chimney with fire preventer was added.
I also change the look of the front of the engine by adding more realistic plastic profile (C shape).

Re: Z scale narrow gauge trains

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:16 am
by Kupzinger
Hi,

These are extremely fine models! I also admire your painting of the windows and other details! Is still your still Hand or do you have other Tricks? :)

Cheers
Kupzinger

Re: Z scale narrow gauge trains

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:01 am
by zdrada69
Kupzinger wrote: These are extremely fine models! I also admire your painting of the windows and other details! Is still your still Hand or do you have other Tricks? :)
Cheers
Kupzinger

General painting (black) is done using Tamiya paints in can. Details are hand painted using acrylic paints.
My tricks are:
- 000 or 00000 brush (Revell)
- try to paint existing edges - in such case I mostly do not use the top of the brush but the side
- it is better to have rather dense paint - I do not use any thinner
- I noticed that good and concentrated visibility is very important to have your hand stable ! I use magnifiing lenses of this type:
http://mag-lamp.pl/products/Lupy-na-glo ... der&or=asc